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--- s5:quovadis [2015/05/14 12:46] – [What do the numbers say?] andi
+++ s5:quovadis [2015/05/24 13:54] (current) – [Ideas] added animated cat gif - no presentation is complete without a cute cat 82.7.215.139
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   * development activity seems to have decreased at lot
   * nearly no communication on the Mailing List
-  * long term developers seem to lose interest
+  * long term developers seem to have lost interest/time (myself included)
-  * no new developers join
+  * no new developers join (or we are shit at integrating them into our community)
 ===== Is that even true? =====
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   * [[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mxKZLDyKdPvbBdmiNVuFPPMGLAPUxMZmZ8VGPAq3Jk0/edit|GDrive Spreadsheet]]
-===== What do the numbers say? =====
+===== Numbers! =====
-  * Development (commits) and Developer communication (mailinglist) has decreased
+  * Data from 2011 til today
-  * Plugin developement still going strong
+  * 2015 is not complete, so it's somewhat skewed
-  * End-User interest is still the same, maybe even slightly increasing
+  * graphs show rolling 5 month averages
+  * trend line is linear (whatever that means ;-P)
+    * basically up is good, down is bad
-===== IRC Messages =====
+===== Development =====
-{{url>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mxKZLDyKdPvbBdmiNVuFPPMGLAPUxMZmZ8VGPAq3Jk0/pubchart?oid=1758689707&format=interactive 600px,380px noborder}}
+  * some development related graphs first...
+  * remember this is all quantity, not quality
 ===== Commits =====
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+===== Mailing List Posts =====
+{{url>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mxKZLDyKdPvbBdmiNVuFPPMGLAPUxMZmZ8VGPAq3Jk0/pubchart?oid=2083303072&format=interactive 600px,380px noborder}}
+===== IRC Messages =====
+{{url>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mxKZLDyKdPvbBdmiNVuFPPMGLAPUxMZmZ8VGPAq3Jk0/pubchart?oid=1758689707&format=interactive 600px,380px noborder}}
+===== New Plugins =====
+{{url>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mxKZLDyKdPvbBdmiNVuFPPMGLAPUxMZmZ8VGPAq3Jk0/pubchart?oid=499823129&format=interactive 600px,380px noborder}}
+===== Development Summary =====
+  * commit count has decreased
+  * but not as much as the communication has
+  * most communication now happens in github comments
+    * which I didn't count (sorry)
+    * does anyone remember when we moved to github?
+  * Plugin creation slightly decreases
+    * understandibly - most common problems are solved
+===== Endusers =====
+  * let's see how end user related numbers changed
 ===== Forum Posts =====
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-===== Mailing List Posts =====
-{{url>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mxKZLDyKdPvbBdmiNVuFPPMGLAPUxMZmZ8VGPAq3Jk0/pubchart?oid=2083303072&format=interactive 600px,380px noborder}}
 ===== Newsletter =====
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-===== New Plugins =====
-{{url>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mxKZLDyKdPvbBdmiNVuFPPMGLAPUxMZmZ8VGPAq3Jk0/pubchart?oid=499823129&format=interactive 600px,380px noborder}}
+===== End User Numbers =====
+  * Forum posts are down, mostly to the loss of developers chiming in (I think)
+  * Newsletter subscriptions got a huge bump with download.dokuwiki.org being introduced
+    * People are interested still!
+    * we need to use this huge potential better!
+  * Sessions are slightly growing
+    * yeah! fighting the trend
+===== Is it even our fault? =====
+{{ :s5:trends.png }}
+  * it reflect the interest in wikis in general: [[https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=wiki|Google trends]]
-===== Why is that? =====
+===== Time to speculate =====
   * DokuWiki feels finished
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     * requires high skill
     * makes adding new "hot" features difficult
-  * it reflect the interest in wikis in general: [[https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=wiki|Google trends]]
   * We're not exactly modern PHP
+  * existing developers are gatekeepers but have limited time/interest
+    * PRs do not get enough attention
 ===== Can we just be done? =====
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     * PHP7 compatibility
     * HHVM support
-  * We want to keep up with modern times and what users exprect from a moder wiki
+  * We want to keep up with modern times and deliver what users expect from a modern wiki
+  * there are still open [[doku>devel:ideas]]
+  * so no, we're not done!
-===== Ideas =====
+===== Ideas - Tools =====
-  * Splitting of modules that are of broader interest to the PHP community
-    * using composer to pull them back in
   * Rethinking our tools
     * are mailing lists still the tool of choice?
     * should our IRC chat be more accessible?
+    * what are the cool kids using?
   * Rethinking our development process
     * I'm not sure how exactly to solve this
-    * Pull-Requests grow stale too fast!
+    * how to get code integrated faster without sacrificing quality?
+    * would a merge now, fix later attitude be helpful?
+===== Ideas - Community =====
+  * Splitting off modules that are of broader interest to the PHP community
+    * using composer to pull them back in
+  * Who should have commit access who still hasn't?
+  * How do we notice new people?
+    * why aren't they here?
+===== And now? =====
+  * Ideas anyone?
+  * Need a group hug?
+{{http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr03/15/9/anigif_enhanced-buzz-3409-1381844582-13.gif}}