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* development activity seems to have decreased at lot | * development activity seems to have decreased at lot | ||
* nearly no communication on the Mailing List | * nearly no communication on the Mailing List | ||
- | * long term developers seem to lose interest | + | * long term developers seem to have lost interest/time (myself included) |
- | * no new developers join | + | * no new developers join (or we are shit at integrating them into our community) |
===== Is that even true? ===== | ===== Is that even true? ===== | ||
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* [[https:// | * [[https:// | ||
- | ===== What do the numbers say? ===== | + | ===== Numbers! |
- | * Development (commits) and Developer communication (mailinglist) has decreased | + | * Data from 2011 til today |
- | * Plugin developement still going strong | + | * 2015 is not complete, so it's somewhat skewed |
- | * End-User interest | + | * graphs show rolling 5 month averages |
+ | * trend line is linear (whatever that means ;-P) | ||
+ | * basically up is good, down is bad | ||
- | ===== Why is that? ===== | + | ===== Development ===== |
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+ | * some development related graphs first... | ||
+ | * remember this is all quantity, not quality | ||
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+ | ===== Commits ===== | ||
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+ | {{url> | ||
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+ | ===== Mailing List Posts ===== | ||
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+ | {{url> | ||
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+ | ===== IRC Messages ===== | ||
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+ | {{url> | ||
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+ | ===== New Plugins ===== | ||
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+ | {{url> | ||
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+ | ===== Development Summary ===== | ||
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+ | * commit count has decreased | ||
+ | * but not as much as the communication has | ||
+ | * most communication now happens in github comments | ||
+ | * which I didn't count (sorry) | ||
+ | * does anyone remember when we moved to github? | ||
+ | * Plugin creation slightly decreases | ||
+ | * understandibly - most common problems are solved | ||
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+ | ===== Endusers ===== | ||
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+ | * let's see how end user related numbers changed | ||
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+ | ===== Forum Posts ===== | ||
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+ | {{url> | ||
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+ | ===== Newsletter ===== | ||
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+ | {{url> | ||
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+ | ===== Sessions ===== | ||
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+ | {{url> | ||
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+ | ===== End User Numbers ===== | ||
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+ | * Forum posts are down, mostly to the loss of developers chiming in (I think) | ||
+ | * Newsletter subscriptions got a huge bump with download.dokuwiki.org being introduced | ||
+ | * People are interested still! | ||
+ | * we need to use this huge potential better! | ||
+ | * Sessions are slightly growing | ||
+ | * yeah! fighting the trend | ||
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+ | ===== Is it even our fault? ===== | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | * it reflect the interest in wikis in general: [[https:// | ||
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+ | |||
+ | ===== Time to speculate | ||
* DokuWiki feels finished | * DokuWiki feels finished | ||
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* requires high skill | * requires high skill | ||
* makes adding new " | * makes adding new " | ||
- | * it reflect the interest in wikis in general: [[https:// | ||
* We're not exactly modern PHP | * We're not exactly modern PHP | ||
+ | * existing developers are gatekeepers but have limited time/ | ||
+ | * PRs do not get enough attention | ||
===== Can we just be done? ===== | ===== Can we just be done? ===== | ||
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* PHP7 compatibility | * PHP7 compatibility | ||
* HHVM support | * HHVM support | ||
- | * We want to keep up with modern times and what users exprect | + | * We want to keep up with modern times and deliver |
+ | * there are still open [[doku> | ||
+ | * so no, we're not done! | ||
- | ===== Ideas ===== | + | ===== Ideas - Tools ===== |
- | * Splitting of modules that are of broader interest to the PHP community | ||
- | * using composer to pull them back in | ||
* Rethinking our tools | * Rethinking our tools | ||
* are mailing lists still the tool of choice? | * are mailing lists still the tool of choice? | ||
* should our IRC chat be more accessible? | * should our IRC chat be more accessible? | ||
+ | * what are the cool kids using? | ||
* Rethinking our development process | * Rethinking our development process | ||
* I'm not sure how exactly to solve this | * I'm not sure how exactly to solve this | ||
- | * Pull-Requests grow stale too fast! | + | * how to get code integrated faster without sacrificing quality? |
+ | * would a merge now, fix later attitude be helpful? | ||
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+ | ===== Ideas - Community ===== | ||
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+ | * Splitting off modules that are of broader interest to the PHP community | ||
+ | * using composer to pull them back in | ||
+ | * Who should have commit access who still hasn' | ||
+ | * How do we notice new people? | ||
+ | * why aren't they here? | ||
+ | ===== And now? ===== | ||
+ | * Ideas anyone? | ||
+ | * Need a group hug? | ||
+ | {{http:// |
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